{"id":160187,"date":"2023-07-27T08:49:16","date_gmt":"2023-07-27T07:49:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/?p=160187"},"modified":"2023-07-27T12:39:09","modified_gmt":"2023-07-27T11:39:09","slug":"concord-has-550m-in-fresh-funding-a-recent-expansion-in-australasia-and-now-a-new-ceo-whats-its-next-move","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-has-550m-in-fresh-funding-a-recent-expansion-in-australasia-and-now-a-new-ceo-whats-its-next-move\/","title":{"rendered":"Concord has $550m in fresh funding, a recent expansion in Australasia and now a new CEO. What\u2019s its next move?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Bob Valentine first joined Concord 24 years ago, in 1999, after Norman Lear\u2019s Act III Communications bought the music firm \u2013 then called Concord Records \u2013 out of bankruptcy.<\/p>\n<p>At this point in history, iTunes was still two years from launch; Daniel Ek was 16 years old, and still at school.<\/p>\n<p>Concord, meanwhile, was a jazz label turning over around USD $8 million a year\u2026 not far from 100 times smaller than its annual revenue today (somewhere between $600m and $700m).<\/p>\n      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__tweeny hidden-xs hidden-ms hidden-sm\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"992 1200 1440\" data-name=\"628x90 Sponsor banner #5 (992+1200+1440)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_628\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__banner mb-advert__banner--inline hidden-xs hidden-sm hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"480\" data-name=\"468x60 Sponsor banner #5 (480)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_468\"><\/div>      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__mobile mb-advert__mobile--inline hidden-ms hidden-md hidden-lg\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-sizes=\"320 768\" data-name=\"300x50 Sponsor banner #5 (320+768)\" data-params=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\" id=\"dfp_sponsor5_300\"><\/div>      <\/div>      \n<p>In the two-and-a-bit-decades since, Concord has spent comfortably north of $2 billion (via equity and debt capital) to build one of the modern music rights business\u2019s most significant players. Today, it owns the rights to over a million songs\/compositions, musicals, plays and recordings.<\/p>\n<p>Bob Valentine has played an instrumental role at every crucial moment in Concord\u2019s history.<\/p>\n<p>Valentine worked as Concord\u2019s Chief Financial Officer from 2005 to 2021, and then as its President for the past two years. Earlier this month, he stepped into the hot seat as Concord\u2019s CEO, succeeding the exec he\u2019d worked side-by-side with for the past 10 years at the company, Scott Pascucci.<\/p>\n<p>Ordinarily, when an experienced fiscal specialist like Valentine (who began his career as a financial analyst at Morgan Stanley) takes over the Chief Exec reins at any company, it brings with it a mite of suspicion that said company may be \u2018tidying up\u2019 its books in order to sell.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s definitely not the case for Concord, says Valentine, which continues to be majority-owned by its long-term backer, State of Michigan Retirement Systems.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__spu\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-name=\"300x250 Sponsor MPU #1\" data-params=\"dfp_spu1\" id=\"dfp_spu1\"><\/div>      <\/div>      <\/p>\n<p>Valentine\u2019s claim checks out: it\u2019s barely been a year since Concord entered into a not-exactly-cheap process of exploring a sale (engaging Goldman Sachs as its wing-person).<\/p>\n<p>That process led to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-turned-down-a-buyout-offer-of-5-billion-suggest-bloomberg-sources\/\">~$5 billion takeover offer <\/a>from an unnamed suitor, but this price-tag wasn\u2019t deemed large enough for Michigan, Pasucci, and Valentine \u2013 who were looking for \u201cextraordinary\u201d offers only. Concord shut the process down and walked away.<\/p>\n<p>Since then, Concord\u2019s made some major M&amp;A moves \u2013 including, last year, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-buys-native-tongue-in-eight-figure-acquisition-expands-in-australia-and-new-zealand\/\">eight-figure acquisition<\/a> of Australia\u2019s Native Tongue (and related expansion in Australasia), plus the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/phil-collins-and-genesis-bandmates-sell-music-rights-for-over-300-million-11664465196\">~$300m acquisition<\/a> of music rights from Phil Collins and members of Genesis. (The latter was a rare thing over the past 12 months: a nine-figure artist catalog acquisition.)<\/p>\n<p>Last month, Concord bulked up its frontline recorded music credentials with the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/pulse-music-group-and-concord-launch-new-label-pulse-records\/\">announcement<\/a> of a JV label, Pulse Records, with the widely respected Pulse Music Group team. (Concord become a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-buys-majority-stake-in-pop-publisher-pulse-in-100m-deal\/\">majority owner<\/a> in Pulse Music Publishing via a $100m+ deal in 2020).<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>The launch of Pulse Records reflects a key prong of Valentine\u2019s future strategic plan for Concord.<\/p>\n<p>With over 800,000 songs in its publishing portfolio \u2013 including the 380,000 it acquired from Imagem in 2017 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concords-500m-purchase-of-imagem-marks-the-birth-of-a-major-player-in-music\/\">via a $500m+ deal <\/a>\u2013 Concord has in the past six years bolstered its recordings business (Concord Label Group) via acquisitions of storied imprints like Fania (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-acquires-independent-latin-music-company-fania\/\">2018<\/a>), Independiente (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-music-buys-uk-based-label-independiente\/\">2018<\/a>), and Savoy (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/concord-acquires-savoy-label-group-3000-recordings\/\">2017<\/a>), in addition to acquiring the hip-hop-heavy frontline catalog of L.A Reid\u2019s HitCo<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/confirmed-concord-acquires-hitco-entertainment-record-label-assets\/\"> in 2022<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As things stand, Concord\u2019s masters business includes ownership of more than 275,000 recordings, including tracks from 300 Grammy Award winners \u2013 plus the world\u2019s No.1 kids\u2019 music brand, KIDZ BOP (worldwide to date: 8 billion streams, 22.5 million album sales).<\/p>\n<p>Valentine, however, senses there is a chunk more opportunity for Concord in the frontline record space; he estimates that 85% of his company\u2019s current revenues come from catalog, rather than newly-developed, music.<\/p>\n<p>Hence the launch of Pulse Records with Pulse\u2019s co-founders, Scott Cutler and Josh Abraham \u2013 plus Pulse\u2019s President, Ashley Calhoun. Valentine calls Pulse \u201c one of the leading frontline creative teams and first-class incubators for culturally relevant music\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Pulse\u2019s track-record in the hit-making space is already glittering \u2013 its writer signings, to pluck two examples from recent megahits, include Aldae (<em>Flowers<\/em>, Miley Cyrus; <strong>1.3 billion<\/strong> Spotify streams to date), and Tyler Johnson (<em>As It Was<\/em>, Harry Styles, <strong>2.5 billion+<\/strong> Spotify streams to date).<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div class=\"mb-embed-container\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/H5v3kku4y6Q\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<p>One announcement that\u2019s flown rather under the radar from Concord in the past year?<\/p>\n<p>The bond offering it secured for a large portion of its music catalog in December, via Apollo Global Management \u2013 a process steered home by Valentine and his financial team.<\/p>\n<p>As a result, Concord successfully priced <a href=\"https:\/\/concord.com\/news\/concord-prices-1-8-billion-abs-to-finance-corporate-growth-strategy\/\">$1.65 billion of senior notes<\/a>. Around $1.25 billion of that figure was used to refinance Concord\u2019s debt, but $400 million joined its cash pile.<\/p>\n<p>Combined with access to another $150 million secured via a revolver credit vehicle, Concord has at least $550 million in M&amp;A firepower ready to go \u2013 and there may be plenty more where that came from.<\/p>\n<p>One oft-misunderstood element of Concord\u2019s ABS (Asset-Backed Securitization) is that the company didn\u2019t \u2018max out\u2019 the amount it could take from the process.<\/p>\n<p>Valentine explains that Concord\u2019s \u2018loan to value\u2019 execution (i.e. LTV, not dissimilar to that you might find agree for your mortgage) in the ABS sat at <b>42%<\/b>. A more typical music ABS might have stretched that LTV closer to 60% or 65%.<\/p>\n<p>The upshot: Should Concord revisit its ABS backers and seek to extend its LTV in its bond offering, it could likely \u2013 and quickly \u2013 drum up a further $300 million-plus to buy copyrights \u2013 or companies \u2013 in today\u2019s music marketplace by extending into a 60%+ LTV.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s much to ask Bob Valentine about, then, as he settles in for a chat with Music Business Worldwide \u2013 his first-ever interview as Concord\u2019s CEO\u2026<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h5><b><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo.jpg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-80x45.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-80x45.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-160x91.jpg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-320x181.jpg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-418x237.jpg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-648x367.jpg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-836x473.jpg 836w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/11\/Concord-logo-1296x733.jpg 1296w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure>How planned out was your transition into CEO and Scott\u2019s decision to leave the company?<\/b><\/h5>\n<p>Very. It was boring corporate succession planning at its finest [laughs]! This transition was planned for two-plus years. Myself, Scott, and the board wanted it to cause as little disruption as humanly possible to the business. The goal of my moving from CFO to President and then to CEO was to have a long timeline for the transition where there was no \u2018jolt to the system\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve always thought as myself as helping to build a real music business here, because that\u2019s what we are \u2013 not a fund, a real music business, running its own global labels, music publishing operation, theatrical licensing company, and a fledging film &amp; TV division that happens to be backed by a pension fund.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8221; I\u2019ve always thought as myself as helping to build a real music business here, because that\u2019s what we are \u2013 not a fund, a real music business.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My intention is to focus on the efforts of the company to be a creative force. One example of that would be the recent Pulse Records announcement. We\u2019ve also significantly increased our investment in frontline publishing over the last three years, and were investing in theatrical rights during the worst days of Covid, under the assumption that live theatrical entertainment would eventually come back.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, we are starting to get traction with our long-form narrative creative content division, Concord Orginals. Concord is not just a creature of finance and a creature of acquisition; it\u2019s also a company that matters culturally.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b>Usually, when an ex-CFO takes over a company there\u2019s a whiff of it being \u2018packaged up\u2019 for a sale process. But Concord went through that already\u2026<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>Exactly. Our shareholder had the opportunity [to sell] and chose not to, as is now public knowledge. Despite there being some good proposals, as Scott put it, there just wasn\u2019t that \u2018extraordinary\u2019 number.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b>There\u2019s a lot of talk about acquisitions and M&amp;A in music generally today. What do you expect the cadence of acquisitions to be at Concord as we move forward?<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>The amount of activity in the marketplace is still robust. There are still transactions happening on a daily basis. The phenomenon of artists\u2019 IP has never been more liquid; it is now a real and proven asset class. Investment bankers are focused on it, financiers are financing it, and then there\u2019s entities like us, that know how to buy rights, but also know how to manage them and have the relationships to do so.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s true, however, that there is a bit of a disconnect right now between buyers and sellers in terms of the value of the IP. We\u2019re still coming off the peaks of the 24- or 25-time multiples [in iconic publishing catalog deals] from a couple of years ago. The interest rates today are having an impact on that.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">&#8220;There is a bit of a disconnect right now between buyers and sellers in terms of the value of [music] IP.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>We also went through a phase where a lot of iconic artists were getting rights back [and selling them]; the Phil Collinses, the Stings, the Bob Dylans of the world. All of them were in a moment in their lives where they were interested in selling, and that can only happen once [for each legendary artist].<\/p>\n<p>That itself drove up multiples because those kind of iconic catalogs are 100-year cash-flows. You can be pretty certain about the [revenue] numbers they will generate 40 years from now.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">      <div class=\"mb-advert__incontent\">      <div class=\"mb-advert mb-advert__spu\" data-loaded=\"no\" data-name=\"300x250 Sponsor MPU #2\" data-params=\"dfp_spu2\" id=\"dfp_spu2\"><\/div>      <\/div>      <\/p>\n<h6><b>Is the industry waiting for interest rates to come back down?<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>It\u2019s less about short-term interest rates coming down, I think, than people having visibility on what the long-term interest rates will be.<\/p>\n<p>In the US right now there\u2019s an historically large disconnect between short-term rates and the ten-year treasury which is the baseline by which people judge their cost of capital.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s different scenarios and if you\u2019re wrong in your long-term forecast, if you bet on a valuation that [misjudges future interest rates], you can get really hurt. That\u2019s causing volatility and uncertainty that is making it harder for people to connect on price.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405.jpg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-80x50.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-80x50.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-160x100.jpg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-320x200.jpg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-418x261.jpg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-648x405.jpg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-836x522.jpg 836w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/05\/shutterstock_1626989992-scaled-e1652119192405-1296x809.jpg 1296w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><figcaption class=\"imagecredit\">Credit: QuiteSimplyStock\/Shutterstock<\/figcaption><\/figure>What was the thinking behind the bond offering with Apollo, and why was it the right time to do it?<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>We had always believed that an ABS structure for financing copyrights was the best capital structure for catalogs like ours. It provides a low cost of capital, and you ally yourself with long-horizon financing \u2013 the type of capital that Concord has been financed with for the past 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>The challenge is you need to do a tremendous amount of education in the marketplace on how music works, in order to create enough demand for an ABS. And credit where credit\u2019s due, a big reason why we were able to do [the ABS] was because others did it first: KKR did it with their portfolio, Blackstone did it with SESAC and Hipgnosis, and a few others as well \u2013 they did a lot of the market education.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;We had always believed that an ABS structure for financing copyrights was the best capital structure for catalogs like ours.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The last piece of it was to get [Concord\u2019s ABS] to a size that was much much, much greater than anything done before. Because we have a million copyrights in our catalog, it was a quantum difference from what&#8217;s been done in the past.<\/p>\n<p>Apollo said, look, we believe that demand\u2019s out there and we will prove it by agreeing to buy a significant amount of the overall [ABS] from the get-go. And that gave others, in my view, the comfort that meant we ended up with an extraordinarily large ABS.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b>Are there still nine-figure catalog acquisition opportunities presenting themselves in the marketplace? It seems like it\u2019s mainly sub-$50 million deals that are getting done right now.<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>That\u2019s true. But yes, there are still opportunities in the marketplace for sizeable acquisitions. I can\u2019t name names, but there are portfolios of assets that are being marketed [in the nine-figure range] that would be of interest to us at the right price.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you\u2019re an artist or songwriter thinking of selling your life\u2019s work, you\u2019re doing the calculation: Do I want to wait and see what happens with interest rates? Or is there, for whatever reason, a clock running down on your time for an exit?&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As I said earlier, there\u2019s basically a pricing issue going on right now [in the shadow of macro-economic conditions]. If you\u2019re an artist or songwriter thinking of selling your life\u2019s work, you\u2019re doing the calculation: Do I want to wait and see what happens with interest rates? Or is there, for whatever reason, a clock running down on your time for an exit?<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b>Talking of clocks running down, I\u2019ve heard a few murmurs that some of the private-equity-backed funds in the marketplace that have hoovered up catalogs in the past few years are still looking to sell. There may be a roll-up opportunity out there for the right cash-rich buyer\u2026<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>[Laughs] We shall see!<\/p>\n<p>I can say that Concord really doesn\u2019t need to do any deals for scale anymore, but if a certain catalog or opportunity is of such significant quality or fills a gap we don\u2019t feel we have covered we\u2019ll potentially be interested. But we\u2019re in no hurry to buy things just for the sake of growing.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b><figure class=\"mbw-articlepic mbw-articlepic--right\"><a class=\"link-internal\" href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG.jpeg\" data-lightbox=\"image-set\" data-title=\"\"><img  class=\"lazyload\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-80x80.jpeg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-80x80.jpeg 80w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-160x160.jpeg 160w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-320x320.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-418x418.jpeg 418w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-648x648.jpeg 648w, https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/files\/2022\/10\/UMG-836x836.jpeg 836w\" data-sizes=\"auto\"><i class=\"fas fa-search-plus magnifying-glass-icon\"><\/i><\/a><\/figure>You\u2019ve been distributed by Universal Music Group on the recorded music side for a long time now \u2013 since 2004. How happy are you with that relationship today, and could you ever see it changing?<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>Concord would not be what it is without Universal. That\u2019s a flat-out fact. We have strong personal relationships with their entire management team; we respect them, and they respect us. The nature of the relationship goes both ways.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;We\u2019re a very happy partner of a company run by exceptional leadership.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Could that ever change? I mean, one should never foreclose on business relationships potentially changing over time. But right now, our relationship is extremely good, and we\u2019re a very happy partner of a company run by exceptional leadership.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><b>Before we spoke I was glancing through the latest Goldman Sachs numbers \u2013 which point to a bright future for music. Are you generally optimistic about the future earnings potential of music rights, especially when it comes to the idea of regular streaming price increases?<\/b><\/h6>\n<p>I am, especially as [YoY increases in recorded music growth] settle down following the rapid growth we saw during the Covid pandemic [therefore making 2022 vs. 2021 a more difficult comparison].<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m hopeful like many others that the industry can reach a place of being more sophisticated on pricing. But generally I think if you look at the spectrum of value you get for $10.99 a month from [your preference of music service] it\u2019s extraordinary \u2013 you have nearly every song ever created.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I\u2019m hopeful like many others that the industry can reach a place of being more sophisticated on pricing.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If the economy does slope into a recession, and people start doing the calculus on how much they\u2019re paying for various subscriptions in their household, I think music will be very far down the list of things they would ever get rid of.<\/p>\n<p>I was confident of that at $9.99 a month, I\u2019m confident of it at $10.99, and I would be confident of it at $11.99, $12.99, and $13.99, too.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bob Valentine answers MBW&#8217;s questions on his leadership plans and the state of the acquisitions marketplace<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":160188,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-160187","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/160187","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=160187"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/160187\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/160188"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=160187"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=160187"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.musicbusinessworldwide.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=160187"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}